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Early Dragonball Questions
Topic Started: Jul 19 2014, 05:51 PM (781 Views)
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As I start my from scratch power level list, ( No guidebook or scouter numbers ) I find myself posed with some serious questions.

1) When do the humans surpass the prehistoric beasts? We see a Pteradactyl ( Never going to learn how to spell that ), a Megalodon ( the might ginormous prehistoric shark ), a Saber Tooth Tiger, Triceratops, and T-Rex.

As we can see, Krillen is able to one shot a saber tooth tiger. Which really makes the Videl/Hercule can win early tournaments crowd look quite silly considering they are considered normal humans. Goku is one shotting giants bears, the Pteradactyl, giant fish etc. Krillen wants nothing to do with the Triceratops and Goku and Krillen during their training with Roshi seem clearly fearful of their life from the Megalodon and T-Rex. Ay yes, there is that Giant Octopus as well, is there a specific cool name for tremendous prehistoric Octopus like there is for Sharks, ie Megalodon?

Anyway, when can they start dealing with these beasts?


2) One of the cool chains I like here is Goku 21st Budokai - Goku Post Korin. It seems to fit pretty neatly with everything but there are some issues.


Goku Post Korin > Tao Pai Pai > Staff Officer Black > Devil Man > Mummy > Goku 21st Budokai


3) Roshi's Buff increase. He and Goku were equals at the 21st Budokai, Goku goes Great Ape, which we find out later to be a 10x increase and Roshi Buff up and lets loose a KHH that has the suggested ability to kill Goku. Is Roshi's Buff state 10x?




Hmm. there's more issues but I can't think of them right now. Hopefully we can get a real in depth thread going about early DB, people always focus on DBZ and DB never gets any attention so I think there is a lot of uncovered stuff there.
Edited by p123, Jul 19 2014, 05:57 PM.
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1) I'm going to say they could defeat some of the larger prehistoric animals once they are done their 21st Budokai training. I think Goku and Krillin possess the speed and strength to take one out. Just think about this. Goku could move that huge rock prior to his training with Roshi, so imagine how strong he was after that.

2) I don't think Black should be stronger than Akkuman, he was a Budokai winner was he not? Black's power came from his battle jacket thing, unless you're including that there.

3) I don't think it needs to be 10x, he could be able to amp his Kamehameha by that time.
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1) Goku and Krillin Post Roshi training is the level where fighter can handle the prehistoric beasts, same goes for Ox-King. I think Goku and Krillin are a poop fighters without a balance of way fighting a opponent.

2) "Goku 21st Budokai - Goku Post Korin". ???

I thin Black > Akkuman , too. SSJ2.

3) Could there be a hint about Roshi blasting Oozaru Goku?

Yeah, DBZ has a lot of crap issues, but DB has that too.
Edited by Alex D. Boss, Jul 19 2014, 06:06 PM.
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I agree with that. Watching Krillen kick the Bully through the Budokai arena seems like really elite level stuff. Pushing those large boulders, and Roshi being able to catch bullets at that level all seem to indicate those beasts are in trouble or at least have a real fight on their hands.

I have Ox King being the first level of power being able to somewhat rival these beasts and I think I have Krillen at the 21st Budokai even with a Triceratops.


I disagree with that. Compare Goku vs Black and Goku vs Devil Man. Goku vs Black looks somewhat similar to Gohan vs Cell. Devil Man guess wtfpwn one shotted into a wall. There's a tremendous difference between Goku and Devil Man. It's not even close. I have always assumed the same as you, but after looking it over last night, I noticed just how wide the gap was between the Baba fighters and Red Ribbon Army fighters ( Tao and Black ) . It's huge.


And amplification has always been a real headache. Answer me this. If Jackie landed a KHH on Goku at the 21st Budokai instead of Goku matching it with his own, what would happen?
Edited by p123, Jul 19 2014, 06:08 PM.
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Just consider the progression though. Roshi and the crew were already aware that Goku singlehandedly took down the Red Ribbon Army, yet they were still impressed by him taking down the Mummy Man. Akkuman >> Mummy, so that's where I get my conclusion from. Also isn't there an implication that Goku got a lot stronger over the Red Ribbon arc? Toriyama's new interview could help my case here, as he said Saiyans get stronger the more they fight, and that wasn't even including Zenkais.

Also for number 3, you have to consider that Roshi wasn't trying to kill Goku, he just needed to destroy the moon.

If he landed the KHH, I don't think Goku would die. Jackie knew that he couldn't kill Goku, or he'd be disqualified. Though I think it would have the power to force him out of the competition.
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How does anything trump the actual fights?

Goku vs Black and Goku vs Devil Man. Look at them. Completely different ranges of power. Black could probably put up a halfway decent fight against Tao Pai Pai, Devil Man would get obliterated by Tao Pai Pai.
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Black would totally stomp Tao , looking at the 2 fights.

I don't think Goku became stronger after Black's fight. There shouldn't be a reason as nothing was noticed about him fighting a tough opponent so far.
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I've reread the fights.

Tao Pai Pai gets a couple of shots in on Goku, but Goku was still able to tank his Super Dodonpa somewhat well.

When Goku battles Black (Battle Jacket), Black gets in a few hits, none of which do more than cosmetic damage. Goku out-speeds him and destroys him with ease.

Goku's battle with the Mummy is almost similar in a way. Mummy gets in a hit or too, but none of them phase Goku.

Akkuman is stated to be stronger than the Mummy. He doesn't get any hits on Goku, but it's just because Goku is so much more powerful.

In my opinion we don't get a clear indication from these fights. Goku is at a level where he makes each of these opponents look stupid, so it's tough to judge who is stronger than who.
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Mummy and Devil Man get one shotted.

Black does not.
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Just read the shet.

Mummy man gets dominated pretty hilariously if you ask me.

Battle Jacked Black vs Tao, is debatable.
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Forget about Battle Jacket Black. I'm talking about regular Black. Regular Black gets hit hard by Goku and does not get one shotted. Black gets hits on a similar level to Gohan vs Cell.

This is what I'm saying...

Goku 100
Tao Pai Pai 85
Black 60
Devil Man Sub 50
Mummy Less than that
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p123
Jul 19 2014, 06:53 PM
Forget about Battle Jacket Black. I'm talking about regular Black. Regular Black gets hit hard by Goku and does not get one shotted. Black gets hits on a similar level to Gohan vs Cell.

This is what I'm saying...

Goku 100
Black battle jacket: 88 (?)
Tao Pai Pai 85
Black 60
Devil Man Sub 50
Mummy Less than that


Could that work ?
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Hell no. Black isn't that close to Goku at all. That's like Goku vs Cell.

Oh wait, that's battle jacket. Still no.
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Jul 19 2014, 10:01 PM
Hell no. Black isn't that close to Goku at all. That's like Goku vs Cell.

Oh wait, that's battle jacket. Still no.

Thats not close for the likes of DB.
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p123
Jul 19 2014, 06:39 PM
Mummy and Devil Man get one shotted.

Black does not.
Perhaps that's because Goku perceived them as bigger threats.
Tha gaol agam ort. <3
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